Q & A: Why Does Scripture Not Positively Affect Occult Infiltrators?

Question

We’ve received an email from a reader who asks the following:

I was wondering why luciferians who are the infiltrators in churches and tv programs knowingly teach on scriptures? For instance, let’s take Ken Copeland or any wolf of choice. Years ago, I used to listen to him. He’d teach on some powerful scriptures such as the ones in Eph 3 about God’s love and His amazing abilities which we cannot fully understand. I’m using the verses at the end of that chapter because I just got done reading that third chapter. When Ken knows that those verses are about our true biblical God, how can he preach with such joy and enthusiasm when he isn’t even interested in our precious Lord. Ken serves a different God. I can understand how you and Carolyn could do it because you were deceived that you were in the right camp, I don’t understand how the fake people can do this? Do they think that the Bible is a joke and a fictional book while they deliberately lead the masses astray? And pretend to be full of joy? Are they simply good actors? If so, one would think that eventually the powerful Word would convict and deal with their wicked hearts after decades of this sort of thing.

Response

First, Luciferianism is not so much a “religion” as it is an over-reaching set of esoteric, occult belief systems that are best represented by the philosophies found within theosophical and gnostic ideas. So just because someone is following after Luciferian doctrine or teaching it, does not necessarily mean that they are conscious of this, and they probably would not call themselves Luciferian.

I’ve written about this at length in the following article:

https://askcarolynandloren.com/2018/03/14/qa-luciferianism-occult-training-and-dispelling-some-misunderstandings/

Second, those who hold to theosophical, gnostic ideals (Luciferian doctrine) don’t just teach or learn from the Scriptures found within the Christian Bible. They pull in the ideas of many religions that are found within their holy texts.

Additionally, there are conscious infiltrators, and there are unconscious infiltrators. To review this concept, you can follow this link:

https://askcarolynandloren.com/book/section-one/chapter-three/.

Those who are consciously infiltrating Christianity with occult doctrine teach from the Bible, giving esoteric, occult meaning to particular verses, because that is how they infiltrate Christianity. This has been going for a very long time.

On the other hand, those who are unconscious infiltrators use Scripture from the Bible, giving it esoteric, occult meaning, because that’s just what they know. There’s not necessarily any “ill intent” behind it. It’s just as harmful and just as dangerous, yes, but the intent is different.

The issue, therefore, is the thoughts and intents of the heart between those who are consciously infiltrating and those who have simply been fooled by false doctrine and false teachers. And only God knows the heart, not me! So I can’t say that this person or that person is beyond the reach of the Spirit of God, because I can’t possibly judge that. And there certainly are occult infiltrators who are positively affected by the Word of God and who come to repentance and reconciliation with the Father. The Heavenly Father, through His Spirit, is able to reach anyone who seeks after Him with their whole heart. So keep praying earnestly for those who have fallen into deception! 🙂

Third, as far as Kenneth Copeland goes, I don’t know if he is consciously aware that what he is teaching is false doctrine and occult concepts. He may be a conscious infiltrator, or he may be unconscious. I can’t judge his heart or his thoughts because I am not God. But either way, it seems as if he’s certainly convinced himself that the false and occult doctrine he teaches is of God!

☛ Note: for those who don’t know Copeland or have not heard about his false doctrine, here’s a link to find out more (they also have a longer list of links at the end of their article for even more research):

http://www.piratechristian.com/messedupchurch/2017/10/the-kenneth-copeland-cornucopia-of-false-doctrine-word-of-faith-sorcery-and-big-piles-of-money

Copeland might be very happy with his life, or he may just be a very good actor. I’ve never spent time around him, so I have no personal anecdotes to give one way or the other. But I’ve seen several videos where his demeanor completely changed from joyful and happy, to angry and dismissive, when confronted on his lies or false doctrine. If the situation weren’t so dire, it would very nearly be comical.

While I have no personal experience with Copeland, in my experiences with charismatic cult leaders in general (and narcissists, as well — cult leaders can also be described as narcissists), there is a “public persona” and a “private persona,” and they keep tight control of their public environment so that the private persona isn’t revealed in public. It could be said that, to an extent, we all do this: we are more relaxed in private, but we usually display our best in public. But there is a big difference between “putting your best foot forward,” and wearing a “public mask” to hide the truth of who you are in private. And this is what narcissistic cult leaders do: they wear a mask to hide the truth of who they really are.

In a sense, this is describing what you say: they are good actors. But it’s not merely an act. Acting implies that at any time, they may stop acting truthful and honest, and actually be truthful and honest. But with narcissists, this is not something that is possible. Their major character flaw (for lack of a better word) is that they refuse to love the truth. So when they put their mask on for a public display, they truly believe in their heart that the mask is who they are. And any time the mask slips and reveals their ugly interior, it is always the “other person’s fault.” They simply don’t recognize the truth of who they are.

To read more about narcissistic cult leaders:

https://letmereach.com/2017/01/23/8-ways-narcissists-like-cult-leaders/

https://blogs.psychcentral.com/narcissism-decoded/2017/03/14-ways-narcissists-can-be-like-cult-leaders/

But those things aside, it’s possible that Copeland has fallen into delusion. This is a possibility, but not necessarily fact, because as I’ve stated before, only God knows his heart and his thoughts. Not me. But from my experiences and observation, many people like him can’t see their way out of delusion because of their ego and pride.

However, as I like to say, “It’s never too late until it’s too late.” The Spirit of God is constantly moving on our hearts, and you never can tell what miracle He will work in the hearts of mankind. 🙂

Fourth, you wrote: “one would think that eventually the powerful Word would convict and deal with their wicked hearts after decades of this sort of thing.”

As I’ve already stated, sometimes the individual does come to repentance and is reconciled to the Father.

However, just because someone hears the Word of God or speaks the Word of God, does not mean they are properly interpreting and correctly applying His Word. And people who are constantly absorbing themselves in false doctrine by twisting Scripture to suit their own preconceived ideas or spiritual values, either consciously or unconsciously, will never be changed by the truth of the Word of God — unless and until they come to a place of humbleness and realize that they have been wrong. This is a work that the Spirit of God accomplishes.

But unless they are brought to repentance, what will happen instead, is that over a period of time of this twisting of Scripture, they fall into delusion.

Consider 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (emphasis added):

The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness. (BSB)

Also consider this Scripture (emphasis added):

John 8:31-32 (BSB)

So He said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Here’s what a word study reveals within the context of these verses:

Believed: Strong’s Greek 4100

Transliteration: pisteuó
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

Continue: Strong’s Greek 3306

Transliteration: menó
Definition:  I remain, abide, stay, wait; with acc: I wait for, await.

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

“not to depart, not to leave, to continue to be present; … of him who cleaves, holds fast, to a thing.”

Word: Strong’s Greek 3056

Transliteration: logos
Definition: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.

HELPS Word-studies:

“lógos (“word”) is preeminently used of Christ (Jn 1:1), expressing the thoughts of the Father through the Spirit.”

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

“instruction”

Disciples: Strong’s Greek 3101

Transliteration: mathétés
Definition: a learner, disciple, pupil.

HELPS Word-studies:

“properly, a learner; a disciple, a follower of Christ who learns the doctrines of Scripture and the lifestyle they require; someone catechized with proper instruction from the Bible with its necessary follow-through (life-applications). See also 3100 /mathēteúō (“to disciple”).”

You will know: Strong’s Greek 1097

Transliteration: ginóskó
Definition: I am taking in knowledge, come to know, learn; aor: I ascertained, realized.

Helps Word-studies:

“properly, to know, especially through personal experience (first-hand acquaintance).”

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

“to become acquainted with, to know, is employed in the N. T. of the knowledge of God and Christ, and of the things relating to them or proceeding from them; … the things which proceed from the Spirit…”

Truth: Strong’s Greek 225

Transliteration: alétheia
Definition: truth, but not merely truth as spoken; truth of idea, reality, sincerity, truth in the moral sphere, divine truth revealed to man, straightforwardness.

HELPS Word-studies:

“properly, truth (true to fact), reality.”

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

“In reference to religion, the word denotes what is true in things appertaining to God and the duties of man … ‘the truth, as taught in the Christian religion, respecting God and the execution of his purposes through Christ, and respecting the duties of man,’ opposed alike to the superstitions of the Gentiles and the inventions of the Jews, and to the corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers even among Christians…. the truth which is the gospel or which the gospel presents.”

Will set free: Strong’s Greek 1659

Transliteration: eleutheroó
Definition: I free, set free, liberate.

HELPS Word-studies:

“properly, set free, release from bondage; (figuratively) to remove the restrictions of sin (darkness) because delivered by God into true spiritual liberty (growth).”

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

“to make free, set at liberty: from the dominion of sin”

So then by a proper exegesis of this Scripture, we can see that the truth alone is not what sets us free. But:

● if we have faith and trust (believe) in Jesus Christ…
● and if we do not depart from, but cleave to, hold fast to, and remain (continue)…
● in the divine utterance and instruction (word) of Christ Jesus…
then we are truly a follower of Christ, learning the doctrines of Scripture and the lifestyle they require, and understanding proper instruction from the Bible with its necessary follow-through (disciples).
● And if all of that is true, then we, through personal experience, will become acquainted with (know)…
● the reality of what is true in things concerning God and the gospel — the execution of his purposes through Christ (truth);
and then this truth will release us from bondage, set us at liberty from the dominion of sin, and deliver us, by God, into true spiritual liberty and growth (set us free).

And this is just one verse! Other Scriptures tell us that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and that we cannot come to the Father except through Him. (John 14:6). That’s a fun word study, too, and reveals that the same word “truth” is used here as is used in John 8:32. Jesus Christ is “he in whom the truth is summed up and impersonated” (Thayer’s Greek Lexicon).

But the bottom line is, it’s not the truth alone that sets us free. But it is believing in Jesus Christ, holding fast to his instruction, and knowing, through personal experience what the reality is concerning God and the gospel of our salvation through Jesus Christ, and then that truth will set us free and bring us deliverance.

So an individual can read the truth of the Word of God, and hear the truth of the Word of God, but if those words are constantly being distorted to mean something that they do not actually mean, either by others or by religious programming that is preventing them from understanding (see — Definitions: Religious Programming and End-Time Programming: Religious Programming); and if the Bible is being used more as a spell book rather than holy Scripture that is for our “instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17); then the words that are being read or spoken are useless. And, like I’ve already stated, what happens over years and years of this twisting of Scripture, is that people fall into delusion, and not into a closer relationship with God.

Many will fall away, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved (Matthew 24:13).

Personally speaking, knowing how many are falling into delusion (or are very close to it — but only God knows the truth of the state of their heart) is a sober reminder to stay focused on what is important: my own relationship with the Father that is made possible only through Jesus Christ. And I am constantly asking the Father to search my heart and  to reveal to me those things that are not in line with His Word. Even though some of those corrections have been very painful indeed (in particular, when God opened my eyes to the deception I was under with Duval of Bride Ministries), ultimately I am very thankful that He is merciful and gracious enough to keep me, and I am able to rest in knowing that He knows me (2 Timothy 2:19).

Blessings,
Loren ❤


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